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Religion is man made, all I got to say.

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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hmm... this reminds me

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Did you not have the choice to denounce what you were taught? Does everyone not have that same option?

I don't understand this "oppression" you people keep talking about. Even here DEEEEEP in the bible belt of MS, i feel a lot of times uncomfortable talking about my beliefs.

Every day you have TONS of lobbyists, MILLIONS of dollars going into taking the church out of everything that there is. You will likely be successful.

Why try to abolish the church? Can someone not believe how they want to? Is that not your same argument?

Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

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Yeah, but if you "put to an end" then how would anyone be able to follow that particular thing. I live in the south... never had a religion forced onto me ever, my Mom goes to church, my Dad does not (and wants to be cremated) and I have not been to church in like 3 years, and never went all the time, it was always an option in my family.

I believe in what I believe in, its none of your business what I believe in, and I don't care what you believe in, if you push your beliefs on me, then you are a hypocrite when you bitch about people pushing things on other people, and you will never hear me say I am right, and you are wrong.

I don't think religions should be taught schools, except in religion based schools, not in public schools, but an option in public schools would not bother me, be it any religion, because some people cannot afford private, but then you open the door where EVERY option must be out there, which just causes more problems, because its just not possible, unless it was an online class or something like that.

Basically any religion that breeds people who are not bigots is all I care for, any sect who preaches about "infidels" (the "im right and everyone else is wrong) is normally a extreme 1% form of a religion where all the peaceful members are 99%.... By the way, the crusades were Christians against "Muslim infidels", so don't think I'm picking on Arabs, cause Christians used that word too.

Also, I agree that a world that never had religion would have less to fight about, but its human nature, we have to find something to fight about, like that southpark, where they fought over science, people have wars, if not over one thing, over another, it is my opinion, that no matter what, someone will disrespect someones "insert whatever here" and shit will happen.

So yeah... look how Pepto handled this, I see your point here, and respect it, you are giving atheist a place to go, and to have resources to read into it if they wont, but other people here are just flat out saying opinions, that have no evidence behind them, and honestly there is not way to know what would happen if there was no religion.

So this is quickly turning into a religion debate, even a blind kid saw this coming a mile away. Religion would become better when people realize that is not to be debated on by people as a groups, but debated by yourself, and a decision based on personal choice, not what someone tells you is what you should believe.

I am not saying that discussion should stop, but before anyone post anything, they need to look at it again, and realize that you are not going to change anyones mind on their personal beliefs, and if you try to, its just going to make you look ignorant, but with a well formed post, you may change their mind on the stereotypical thoughts they have of other beliefs.

WE all know about arguing on the internet...

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You see people... this is exactly what I was talking about... yeah, like 50% of the people here may agree with some of your thoughts, because just like you say religion is being shoved down their throats, anti-religion is also forced everyone by their parents, peers, and about everything you see on tv, the only Pro-religion I ever see is the fucking crazies that want your money. Like I said, I do not practice any religion, have not been to any church in over 3 years, but if anything has been forced upon me in the past 10 years, its anti-religion, through giant ignorant douches (like you), which has turned me off to it. All I hear is how bad it is, and wars are caused by it, but yeah, its just an excuse, and thats how the world runs.


There will always be extremists, religion in my opinion, is there for people to have values instilled into them through stories on doing the right thing, not to promote violence, the 1% are the extremest are the ones who you are looking at, if I said, fuck atheist, the world would be a better place without them (but im not saying that), then I would be just as bad as you, but yeah, its the 1% of the atheist who are extremist and try to force shit on other people.... and I think you may have fallen in with that grouping, and it seems to be growing fast.

I say fuck the extremest and ESPECIALLY fuck the pushy, of anything.....

Side note:
"... by the way... have you heard the good news....?"
Has been officially joined with
"... omg warz are caused by religion, did you know that??? zomg"

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^well put.


Science Damn you.

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Discussing such subject does not have an end. If your catholic, good for you. If your atheist, good for you. You can't blame every war on religion. Every person has their own personal jesus. Can't fight with million of Jesuses now can we?

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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Washington, washington, six foot ten wieghs a fucking ton. washington, washington, hes coming hes coming hes coming.

damn good points

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I'm just gonna say what my father told me today.

"There are two things that you shouldn't really talk about with friends. Two things that just don't go over well with people. Religion and politics."

"Don't forget abortion, dad."

"Three..."

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I'm not going to lie, there are militant extremists on the atheist side too.

And no, not all religion is bad.

But its extremely frustrating to see progress contsantly haulted by religion. Stem cell research, almost every classical scientist, cloning, abortion, etc etc all because the leaders still cling to archaic beliefs.


TL;DR I agree, extremism on ANY front is the issue, but I still say religion is a relic humanity should move on from.

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Popping in a couple little points we discussed in my End of Life Issues class tonight:

You have to be careful which hospital you go to if your wife has a miscarriage. They label the situation as an abortion simply because you have to have the dead fetus removed from her body so she won't die from the infection it would cause. In the catholic religion, they will not allow an abortion even of this kind and will have the mother die. I don't know if this is every catholic based hospital, but just going off of what a nurse said that worked at these hospitals.

Also in the Catholic religion, if you are told you will die from complications during labor, it is against your religion to save mother over child. They will let the mother die.

Selena, the Hispanic musician that got murdered in Corpus Christi a couple decades ago would have lived if her Jehovah Witness parents would have allowed her to receive the blood transfusion her doctors desperately wanted to give her. The gunshot was not in itself fatal. She died of loss of blood and body fluid. Would have easily been fixable. One of the paramedics teaching my class was a fireman in Corpus at the time and heard directly from the medics and the doctors that treated her.

Once again, I need to explain I am not against any of your beliefs. I'm all for whatever makes you happy and floats your boat down the stream of life.

My remark about no religion was simply a what-if based topic of conversation. If there was a vote to make it stay or go away, I would vote for it to stay. It keeps people sane and happy. I only try to be objective and get people to talk. I know wars will always go on. No-Religion wouldn't stop them. But personally the saddest war to see is one based on one religion hating another. Remember, everyone here respect one another. We rush through this and maybe slip in a comment that we didn't think all the way through or is taken the wrong way, doesn't need to be fixed with words like "ridiculous" or "ignorant" or "wrong" or "fuck you you fuckin hypocritical bitch", etc. Love Peace and Great Sex. Respeck.

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The things you named are not held back by religion, they are held back by people's ethics.

Some people believe a un-born child should not be used for research, some people may say its against their religion, remove religion from the picture and the truth will come out, they don't think its right, they use the word religion as a crutch. I say, if the mother gave up the baby (or it dies natural causes) then it should be the mothers right to donate it to science, just like if I take a 18 wheeler to my face, give little Susie my kidneys, give my dad my liver, why not... well if I say, no wait, I don't to be cut up, its my choice. Obviously the baby cannot make that choice, but the mother can. I agree that its ridiculous that they can't even work on it, but some research people actually say, woah, I'm not working on a dead baby, and thats their choice, but then you have the douches who decide its their job to PUSH their ethics on others, instead of just saying, find someone else to do it.

But where one major issue lies is the Hippocratic oath, the oath your doctor has sworn by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
And he has to break some of these oaths to do some of the things you are saying religion is holding back...

Also Look up abortion under wiki...

edit: I did the work for you... abortion debate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_d ... cal_debate

Even go to the top of the page, notice it says ethical debate (not religious), you need to get your facts right before you repeat wrong stuff, that was told to your wrongly also, over and over again until you think its right, the sad thing is most of you think you are right, and doing the wright things, but what you are doing is ignorant and oppressive, do the research for yourself, instead of talking out of your ass with false accusations, your are blaming religion on moral issues of the world. Just remember while religion teaches morals, all morals do not come from religion, morals were around long before existing religions.

Keep in mind before you blame religion for anything else, atheism is more or less a religion that believes there is not a god, or that you have an inner god, it can mean alot of things, but it is still a belief, and a structure of beliefs, and a moral code... and that is what a religion is. You have religion and morals/ethics VERY confused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#At ... d_morality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion


America was founded on personal choice, and now its "majority choice" which works fine when there is no majority, just a mix of everything, where we are tolerant, but don't think for a second that you are in a tiny minority for your age (may even be the majority), you all think the world is out to get you, and oppress you, when in reality no one gives a shit about you, or anyone else's opinion to ethics/religion/whatever, be your own person and don't push your ideas on others, cause we don't care. The only time individuals care is when people tell other individuals what they do, what they believe in is wrong, then you are a bigot, as bad as the racist 200, 100, even 50 years ago, except you are not judging by race, you are judging by the one thing that a person SHOULD hold to heart, their own choices of what they believe in.

You don't realize but you are doing equal to the oppressive attitudes religious people used to have towards other religions, but they got over it (besides extremist.... there is always someone out there to fuck everything up), so I am happy for our diversity, but leave the religious bashing (or any bashing at that) off a counterstrike website, in fact, give it up, cause it just makes you look like a uneducated asshole with an agenda.

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Bioethics stem mainly from what people perceive as right or good. When you break down philosophy, you usually break it down into 3 parts. Metaphysics, epistemology, and axiology. skipping metaphysics, epistemology, in short, means the position one's world view takes on how we know the truth. Christianity knows the truth as God's word. Axiology, or the position of what it means to be good, for Christianity that means the bible.

Going back to a fact stated earlier about Christianity being the most practiced religion in the US, one can conclude that a majority of the people leading the debates on bioethics are somewhat intertwined with Christianity. Going back to my previous statement, I can also conclude that many of the decisions made about what is right or good in bioethics take shape from, but not exclusively, the teachings of Christianity.

All this being said, I could care less either way. I thoroughly enjoy reading and contributing to these debates because most of us have something semi-intelligent to say. I am neither for or against anything, just a person walking by taking notice. everyone do your own thing, and be happy. just leave me alone.

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