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Author:  cornholio [ Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Upgrade
So I am upgrading my shitty computer to have a better processor at the moment. I just bought the Wolfdale processor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

(I would have gone with the Xeon Wolfdale but it was 20 dollars extra and the budget is tight)

Tomorrow I am buying the mobo which would be this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372

(Cheap and has what I need)

Question is, is it necessary to get thermal paste/grease?


I just want to know to get some while buying the mobo.

After a few weeks ill upgrade the RAM and the video card.
Author:  ColeLT1 [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:06 am ]
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Looks good to me! No reason to get the xeon if you dont overclock.
Author:  bob [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:36 am ]
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no need to get the grease if your not going to over clock.
Author:  JamesBond [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:30 pm ]
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Can someone explain what Overclocking does please?
Author:  ColeLT1 [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:44 pm ]
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JamesBond wrote:
Can someone explain what Overclocking does please?


When I bought my chip it was like this
$350 got you a 2.66ghz chip <--- the one I got
$600 got you a 2.83ghz chip
$1100 got you a 3.0ghz chip

A chip gets it speed by what is called a "multiplier." My default motherboard speed is 333mhz (or .333ghz), which is also called 1333 front side bus (motherboard speed times 4).

So my chip is a 8x multiplier, so 8x333= 2664mhz (or 2.66ghz).

The chip multiplier is locked (except in special chips but we are not getting into that). So you can lower the multiplier but never raise it. So that is how they sell chips, all chips of the same series have code names, mine is a yorkfield, and all the yorkfields are the same, except for different multipliers, so they cost the exact same to make, but they lock the chip to a slower speed and sell it for cheap, and the higher speeds for a huge price premium. Imagine if you bought a V6 mustang but it had the v8 engine in it, but with 2 pistons just unhooked, its like that (honestly that analogy works better with video cards because with video cards they disable parts of the card, but whatever). Maybe think of it as different rev limiters put on the car, where one car would not rev as high, but mechanically its the same car.

So since you cannot adjust the multiplier, all you do is change the motherboard speed.

So my computer is set to 440mhz (up from 333) x8 = 3520mhz (or 3.52ghz).

So my computer is .5ghz FASTER than the $1000+ chip. Not only that but I undervolted the chip (the Xeon chip I got was a bad mofo), and instead of the regular 1.25v most people volt up to 1.4 (anything above that tends to fry the 45nm core2 duos) mine is running at 1.18v, so runs cold and fast... plus its water cooled, so that doesnt hurt.
Author:  JamesBond [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:51 pm ]
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Dang thats like selling the same turbo's/ supercharger's to people and charging them to up the boost on them. Damn Were can I order one of these multiplyers from?

"edit" How much could you get a computer that would be a beast on the newest games?
Author:  Bensky [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:48 pm ]
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I've really only seen Xeons used on servers and shit...I'd say you're fine with the Core 2 Duo.
Author:  cornholio [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:33 pm ]
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bob wrote:
no need to get the grease if your not going to over clock.


Reading around and its very necessary to get Thermal paste. But also found out that the stock fan comes with a thermal pad on the bottom so i don't really need it.
Author:  ColeLT1 [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:45 pm ]
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Bensky wrote:
I've really only seen Xeons used on servers and shit...I'd say you're fine with the Core 2 Duo.


I am using a socket 775 Xeon, which is the same as a Core 2 Quad, but most of the time they are slightly better. Mine on the other hand was FUCKING BADASS. Most people need 1.4v (which is the limit of these 1.25v chips) to do 3.5+ghz, and I did it with 1.18v (undervolt) and only stopped because I hit a limit of my motherboard speed.

Now if you were building a PC right now I would start avoiding dual core unless you were going SUPER cheap, and in that case would say get a Core 2 based "Pentium" which is just a core2 duo with less cache. For a great price you can get a 45nm Core2 Quad, or even a 3.0ghz multiplier unlocked Phenom 2 is $215!

I know I said I would get into multipliers later, but the highest end chips normally are "multiplier unlocked" meaning you can overclock them by not changing the motherboard speed, but simply changing the multiplier. But this comes with a $1200 price tag normally. AMD's top chip is $215 and is unlocked, and its a awesome deal, and speed to speed are about equal to the core 2 quads, plus the boards are cheaper for high end. If I was going to build a computer right now and plan on overclocking for under a grand I would build an AMD rig. If not planning on overclocking I would build a Core2 Quad, or high end Core2 duo, and if you have 1200+ I would do a Core I7 rig.

cornholio wrote:
bob wrote:
no need to get the grease if your not going to over clock.


Reading around and its very necessary to get Thermal paste. But also found out that the stock fan comes with a thermal pad on the bottom so i don't really need it.


Chris is right, if you are not going to overclock, then the thermal pad/paste is fine that it comes with.

I change out all my shit to artic silver 5 even if I am not going to overclock. I just took apart a 9800gx2 that I picked up for 100 bucks, and stripped it down, and removed all the paste and put AS5 in there, should drop the temps about 10 degrees. I have done that to every video card I have ever owned that had a heatsink.
Author:  cornholio [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:17 pm ]
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So I manage to install the Motherboard and the processor fine. Had to apply some force when putting the chip (thanks Chris for that advice).

I been running Hardware Monitor and SpeedFan and they are both telling me that my motherboard is running at 85 C when it's at idle. I set up on the bios to alert me if it goes over 70 but it hasnt alert me at all. Could both programs be reading it wrong?
Author:  bob [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:39 pm ]
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check your temp in bios.
Author:  cornholio [ Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:24 am ]
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Temp in bios is fine, it says that the system temp was 27 C. I still find it weird that both places get those readings. On SpeedFan or w/e is called it had like 3 temperatures: -84C,84C,124C :lol:
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