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you talk too much^ jk :P

and fine, we could use the trillions of dollars for vaccines, cures, create human life (some guy is on the verge of doing it! he's racing the gov't and he's in the lead! m-azing it can benefit us in so many ways, and i forgot how they could, and they out-weigh the cons) and maybe if we never did warring, then global warming wouldn't be as bad as this, or maybe worse :S i hate possibilities


are you sure that there even is such a thing as "global warming"?

hell, in the 60's it was global cooling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

Which is it?

Until we have proved that this isnt just us still coming out of an ice age...
(which we are)
i will not be a lemming. I am all for taking precautions to maintain valuable resources, but not at a sacrifice to my day to day living.

ALSO,

why would we want to create human life? Do we not have enough people using up all of our resources? We cant feed/shelter/care for the ones we have... Why would we want to create more?

To farm body parts? How morally sound is that? So...what is it? Do you want to be the humane person and talk about helping people... How would creating more mouths to feed be humane?

or...

Do you want to put humans in cages, and take a liver when needed...
bid it out to the highest paying customer?


alot to think about there...

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I'm sorry, but I hate the idea of somebody who actively looks for dirt on US soldiers. Keep you opinion about the war, but you damn well better at least support the troops defending us! Thats the least we can do.

oh and Bob.

Have a body farm would be cruel and inhuman, and we're agrueing about how throwing a dog off a cliff is big deal. lol.

I would say that the reason we don't have population control laws is because that would be considered unconstitutional, and impead on freedoms. However; a good start to population control, would be to lockdown the mexican border! I dont care if you come here, just do it legally!

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bob, wasnt there a movie made out of that concept? the one where you pay for a clone to farm body parts in case the ones you possess begin to fail?

just wondering...

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Yes, Arnold Swarzy movie... He was a pilot of a helicopter, and gets accidently cloned...

I believe it was called "The Sixth Day"

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bob, wasnt there a movie made out of that concept? the one where you pay for a clone to farm body parts in case the ones you possess begin to fail?

just wondering...


not sure, but that is the only reason i could think of why someone would want to make MORE people.

I understand wanting to father/mother your own child, but its different to just have them around.

That is the only conclusion i can come up with...

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Damn, we've moved far along this topic.

Okay, so here's my thing:

Elect new Pres.

New Pres. ends war.

US hopefully pulls out of recession.

Money is spent on advances. Including infrastructure and technology.

Environment prospers as a result.

People stop bitching about Global Warming.

Money can be spent on other things to help advance "civilization"

Ta-da.

But life isn't that simple. Somewhere along the way, something will go wrong and we'll have to bitch and moan about that too until it's fixed. So it all goes, without fail.

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cursed sasuke wrote:
you talk too much^ jk :P

and fine, we could use the trillions of dollars for vaccines, cures, create human life (some guy is on the verge of doing it! he's racing the gov't and he's in the lead! m-azing it can benefit us in so many ways, and i forgot how they could, and they out-weigh the cons) and maybe if we never did warring, then global warming wouldn't be as bad as this, or maybe worse :S i hate possibilities


are you sure that there even is such a thing as "global warming"?

hell, in the 60's it was global cooling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

Which is it?

Until we have proved that this isnt just us still coming out of an ice age...
(which we are)
i will not be a lemming. I am all for taking precautions to maintain valuable resources, but not at a sacrifice to my day to day living.

ALSO,

why would we want to create human life? Do we not have enough people using up all of our resources? We cant feed/shelter/care for the ones we have... Why would we want to create more?

To farm body parts? How morally sound is that? So...what is it? Do you want to be the humane person and talk about helping people... How would creating more mouths to feed be humane?

or...

Do you want to put humans in cages, and take a liver when needed...
bid it out to the highest paying customer?


alot to think about there...
he can change their DNA to make it w/e he wants, but i'm not too sure who's DNA can help us, but he has something in mind if he's gonna continue with this

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Alright guys, I see this topic has gone quite controversial and bias so im just going to give what i know. It has been said that wiki is one of the most unreliable sources for information (apart from fox and CNN), the war in iraq currently has cost the American government 500,000,000,000+ the cost goes up every second,

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And next, I do not actively search on the internet or youtube just to spite the american people/the troops.

And to add to bob post about global cooling, global cool was the result of a volcano (natural disaster) which ashes blocked out the sun resulting in less energy (suns warmth) to heat the earth. However, global warming is man made dilemma. With the increase in global temperature and the past industrial revolution (where small countries in Europe, in hope of becoming technologically advanced, used unpurified natural resources such as coal) Since there is an avg. of 2 cars per person in the US, and the need for natural resources to fuel the consumerism, and to provide sufficient energy to the people, the use of coal and other inefficient means of energy has continued to exist. If the US had never started the war and put most of its money into the research of renewable energy sources, they wouldn't have the problem.

Even though Canada doesn't start wars, it still supports its neighbours to the south and that does cost money (believe it of not). For a country with only a population of roughly 30,000,000 and one of the biggest land masses in the world we have one of the best Health Care systems, sufficient school programs, a high literacy rate, low crimes and a booming economy.

The Americans can probably take a few lessons from us.

Put your funds to something useful, rather than a war which would end anyways and put America further in debt. Education, global warming, economy should be the top priorities for a struggling country with history of war and violence.


BTW I do support the war in Afghanistan. Go Canadian Armed Forces.

* I know its alot so yah.....

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On the puppy killing bastard: Its fucked up, do some research on this guy and stop JUSTIFYING it. Really, go look this guy up. Hes done worse, for *fun*. And has been in hot water before.

Yet again, worse really has happened in this war, and a dog dying shouldn't piss people off while we pseudo torture possibly innocent people.

Don't tell me "war is hell" either. This is America, we have values, we DON'T THROW PUPPIES OF CLIFFS WHAT THE FUCK.

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I'm sorry, but I can't understand why you would vote for somebody because they "stand up for what they believe in."
Didn't Hitler stand up for what he believed in, killing Jews and those who spoke out against him - the rest of the world?

A leader may stand up for what he believes in but that isn't necessarily a good thing if what he believes in is wrong.

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Alright guys, I see this topic has gone quite controversial and bias so im just going to give what i know. It has been said that wiki is one of the most unreliable sources for information (apart from fox and CNN), the war in iraq currently has cost the American government 500,000,000,000+ the cost goes up every second,

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And next, I do not actively search on the internet or youtube just to spite the american people/the troops.

And to add to bob post about global cooling, global cool was the result of a volcano (natural disaster) which ashes blocked out the sun resulting in less energy (suns warmth) to heat the earth. However, global warming is man made dilemma. With the increase in global temperature and the past industrial revolution (where small countries in Europe, in hope of becoming technologically advanced, used unpurified natural resources such as coal) Since there is an avg. of 2 cars per person in the US, and the need for natural resources to fuel the consumerism, and to provide sufficient energy to the people, the use of coal and other inefficient means of energy has continued to exist. If the US had never started the war and put most of its money into the research of renewable energy sources, they wouldn't have the problem.

Even though Canada doesn't start wars, it still supports its neighbours to the south and that does cost money (believe it of not). For a country with only a population of roughly 30,000,000 and one of the biggest land masses in the world we have one of the best Health Care systems, sufficient school programs, a high literacy rate, low crimes and a booming economy.

The Americans can probably take a few lessons from us.

Put your funds to something useful, rather than a war which would end anyways and put America further in debt. Education, global warming, economy should be the top priorities for a struggling country with history of war and violence.


BTW I do support the war in Afghanistan. Go Canadian Armed Forces.

* I know its alot so yah.....


Yea, US should have not joined during world war 2, blah waste of money right? Even though it did bring US out of depression...

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Actually Wikipedia was proven to be about 98% as accurate as the Britannica encyclopedia. (Even though in my college we get a mark of 0 if we reference/cite anything from Wikipedia)

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That averages out to 2.92 mistakes per article for Britannica and 3.86 for Wikipedia.


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However; a good start to population control, would be to lockdown the mexican border! I dont care if you come here, just do it legally!


I don't mean any disrespect or anything but I disgree with this statement. The mexcians that do cross the border illegally into the USA are looking for a better life (well atleast what I'd like to think). I've also heard somewhere ( again not sure where) where illegal immigrant labour contributes a huge part in the American economy. So why lockdown the border if it apparently helps the American economy? (I could be wrong though).

Now back to talking about war. This may be a little too much, but it's all true I gurantee it. I came from a worn torn country that was in a Civil war for many years. I was born in Bosnia, Mom has a Serbian background, Dad has a Croatian background. Bosnians, Serbians, and Croatians genereally (apparently) dislike each other. The whole country was called Yugoslavia before it broke apart.

Anyway I was born in a city called Sarajevo ( 1984 Winter Olympics). In 1992 war broke out and my mom, my sister, and I left. My dad couldn't leave because he was conscripted to fight in the war. Keep in mind this was not that long ago. The war lasted till 1995. The whole city was completely surrounded by enemy forces. It was known as the longest siege of a city in history. 30 kg on shells were shot at the city for ever 1 person living there. School, hospitals, food markets, and other public places were regularly targeted. The city was left without water or electricity, and basically the whole city was destroyed.

We met up with my dad in Germany in 1994, after not seeing him for 2 years ( and not knowing if he was alive or not). To sum it up we moved here in 1996. War has long been over in Croatia/Serbia/Bosnia but these countries are still suffering. So in my personal experience I could never support or justify war. I just don't believe it's worth loosing many lives for little accomplishments.

I'll never say that anyone who supports war is wrong or that their opinion is wrong, for ME it's just not right. There's other ways of solving problemsv(like sanctions and such).


I just wish I knew more about American history so I can keep up with Chris haha.[/quote]

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On the puppy killing bastard: Its fucked up, do some research on this guy and stop JUSTIFYING it. Really, go look this guy up. Hes done worse, for *fun*. And has been in hot water before.

Yet again, worse really has happened in this war, and a dog dying shouldn't piss people off while we pseudo torture possibly innocent people.

Don't tell me "war is hell" either. This is America, we have values, we DON'T THROW PUPPIES OF CLIFFS WHAT THE FUCK.


Again; I think that it's an issue that can and should be addressed on some level. I don't think we need to go "Iraq war debate" on it. I just mean that this fucker needs some jail time and people need to admit it's fucked up. That's all.

Obviously other things piss me off more. That just pisses me off enough to say, "Hey! That's wrong!"

And JcP does have a point.

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I don't mean any disrespect or anything but I disgree with this statement. The mexcians that do cross the border illegally into the USA are looking for a better life (well atleast what I'd like to think). I've also heard somewhere ( again not sure where) where illegal immigrant labour contributes a huge part in the American economy. So why lockdown the border if it apparently helps the American economy? (I could be wrong though).
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I disagree with this statement, I 100% agree with Wonderguy(which doesn't happen often ;)) on his statement of legal/illegal immigration. I am 100% pro immigration as long as it is LEGAL. I agree that they are coming here for a new life, but if they want to come, they need to JOIN our society and not just leech off of it. Become American citizens and contribute. Not just lower the standard wage of most blue collar workers and ship the money back to their prospective countries.

When my father was a boy in VERY, VERY, VERY rural Mississippi, framing houses was a $15.00/hr. job. This is in the 60's. Thats why its called SKILLED labor. Then when the illegals started coming to America and working for $5.00/hr. and not have to pay taxes, or insurance, or unemployment OF COURSE they were hired, and drove the wage down to almost less than minimal wage.

People like to claim that they do jobs that Americans refuse to do. I assure you, there is not a job out there that i will refuse to do if times get bad enough. But there are jobs that i will refuse to do for less than minimum wage.

Also, the illegals are burdening our healthcare system more than most people may realize.

The emergency room is not allowed to turn down treatment on anyone. SO, if you have no name, no SS#, no identity, why NOT go to an emergency room, give all fake info and get free healthcare?


Also, its not really fair to compare Hitler and Bush JCP as one man was a maniacal tyrant bent on ruling the world and oppressed and eventually ordered a mass genocide of a group of people and the other is leader of a democratic nation who is voted upon by the people of a nation. How is it wrong to pull someone out of power who is responsible for slaughtering innocent people at will?

http://www.kdp.se/old/chemical.html

You have to understand that we are over there (i assure you, not for oil as our oil prices are rising steadily) to help a nation of people who are at risk of being over ran by an extreme faction of people who will create more terror that was already there.


Please don't get your news from the newspapers or t.v.. Research your own stuff... Read a book. Do NOT depend on the NY Times to tell you what is going on in the world, as i assure you... You are getting a VERY skewed painting of how the world is today. That goes for a lot of news coverage out there...

I guess alot of people outside of the US don't understand the tightrope we have to walk as a country. If we sit idle by and let something bad happen, we are fucked. If we do something...we are still fucked.

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While we are talking about the Iraq war, I'd like to put out my views...
There is no good solution, period.

Option A: We pull out quickly, because we can't win. Al Queda and other extremists infiltrate the Iraqi govermnent, anti-west views spread all over the Middle East. Israel falls, and we fight a massive war against a unified middle east. And, in our already weakened state, fall.


Option B: We stay to prevent the terrible outcomes of Option B. We can't stop the proliferation of Al Queda because they grow too fast, and all the other problems we are facing. We go into a recession/depression through the astronomical cost of war, oil money only goes so far. America economically weakens and falls.


I don't see much of an in between sadly, even though both options are kinda dramatized.

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