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So you're saying society is going to fall apart because everyone is being forced to wear condoms? Because little kids have to wear bullet proof vests, we're not taking care of the problem directly...So if they are wearing condoms, we're not taking care of the problem directly...That seems a bit odd to me.

See, to me, if all the kids who were having sex wore condoms we would have less teen pregnancy, but more sex...This doesn't apply with bulletproof vests. People won't go around shooting MORE people just because everyone is wearing a bulletproof vest. It's just too extreme. That doesn't make any sense. THIS IS SEX. IT'S MORALLY WRONG IN THE CASE OF CHILDREN, BUT YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT TO MURDER AND CRIME. You can after the fact, if someone is impregnated, but if they have safe sex and nothing comes of it, all that is hurt is your moral pride.

Sorry for the DP

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you cant change the human race as long as we have thought

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First off, I'm not looking away, I'm DEFINITELY being pro-active about this.



Second off, if he blamed me, FUCK him. Thats the next problem, no accountability for his action (a WHOLE other tangent for another time). I know better, i didn't, but i know now. I'm lucky, i was apparently partially retarded at that time, and no one would have came to save my ass when i came and told my dad i had a baby on the way.

I should have HIV, 20 kids and a whole other slew of shit. I knew what was going on, i knew the risks, i knew where to go to get condoms, they give them out for free at the health dept. There was NO reason for me to take the risks i did, but i was young and stupid. But at that time, i was 17/18/19/20. i would have had the ability to drop out of school, get a job support my soon to be coming family. I fail to see how this would be possible for a 14 yr. old who will have assuredly the EXACT same mindset as me...and honestly would probably be MORE sober and more apt to make a wiser decision.

Abstinence is a GREAT thing to teach to that group, HS is where you should start teaching about this. Anything younger than that is too young. PERIOD!

I will not accept the fact that its ok for a 13 yr. old girl to have sex. Never.

if its ok w/ you, i hope you have a little girl one day.

It takes a special kind of person to think that that would be ok...

kinda like someone on dateline.

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And this is where i Agree with Chris.

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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Wow, again, even though I've denied it numerous times, you claim that I think it's okay. I DO NOT THINK IT'S OKAY. I'm only looking at the facts. Just about everything you said up there was something you had a conflict with morally, although you provided very little in the way of productive counter-arguement.

1. Refusing him condoms and hoping he won't have sex is not being proactive. Period. Talking with him is being proactive, but after that, your proactivity stops unless you dog him constantly and punch him in the nuts every time he thinks of whipping off his pants in front of a girl.

2. Again, I recognize that these kids have no way of supporting a child. But that proves the point all the more. If these kids have condoms, they won't be having kids. Or atleast, not nearly as many. It may cause more kids to have sex, but it will be safe sex. And no, it won't balance, despite what you may think.

3. I wholeheartedly agree with teaching abstinence. I'm not saying that I think teaching that is bad. By all means, teach it. What I am saying is; Offer the option of safety if that fails, which it does...

4. I don't agree that anything before HS is too early to teach kids about sex/abstinence/safety. That's incredibly naive. Kids learn about it, one way or another. And they tell eachother. And then they experiment. Fact. Teach these kids early, so that HOPEFULLY you're "moral mindset" is instilled.

5. I'm NOT saying it's okay for a 13 year old girl to have sex! I'm also not saying that it's okay for her to neglect safety. Never gonna say that.

6. You hope I have a little girl one day because you think I think it's okay? That's one hell of a wish upon Chris. Thanks. I really appreciate that. Obviously you can't take this topic with a little bit of salt, and it's obviously affecting your demeanor.

7. I'm done with this post. It isn't fair that someone is turning me into an unmoralistic monster because my views are different from his. How about we all go and gang up on an atheist or muslim next? After that, let's go beat up someone who's pro-choice. And then, maybe we can go make fun of someone who believes in taking the boundaries of science further. Obviously I'm not a good person, so I'll just shut up now. Sorry for bothering all of you.

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I see and acknowledge your views and points Awold, but in the first place your not denying them the condoms. Your just not giving it to them. At that age group they should be taught what are the major risks STDs and such, but thats as far as i would get for middle school. For highschool is different.

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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PLEASE understand, that I'm not purposely directing these at you personally. I meant for it to be more directed back at your argument. I completely failed to do so. I agree that I've been very abrasive about this, and i apologize.

i too feel I'm going to back away from this one. I don't feel that i can have this "discussion" w/out turning it into a argument.

Ill sit back and watch, i would love to read further on this.


Once again awol, I'm sorry.

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Make up kisses anyone?

So yea, I love arguments (even if they go a bit up in tension), awesome way to exchange ideas IN AND ORDERLY manner and good way to learn no points.

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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Alright man. I understand. I think it's a good idea that we both stop. We're both obviously very passionate about this, and it's getting out of hand. I've made my points anyways.

Sorry if I came off as unmoralistic, brash, and bit abrasive as well. Again, we both seem to be very passionate about this subject. I now see where all the controversy on this topic comes from in my area...

Also, I'd like to note that two different groups have threatened to take legal action against the school. One for offering the program in the first place, and the other threatens to take legal action if they take it away... Thought that was interesting.

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Red tank! Rubber Sled! What the box am I doing? I am a Walrus, thru && thru, gimme my bukket oar I'll eat u.

dude, honestly though, your fun to debate w/.

though we never seem to see eye to eye, that day we do. ill probably play devils advocate just cause.

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I <3 u 2 Chris

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Red tank! Rubber Sled! What the box am I doing? I am a Walrus, thru && thru, gimme my bukket oar I'll eat u.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

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i used a condom only one time. took it off 30 seconds into it. I've always gotten a kick when people complain about condoms, cause I always just said I was allergic to latex
























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i'm a bad person
but really though, when I was 15/16 i never partied with a helmet. was a stupid stupid thing to do... But i don't have aids or STD's! got tested for the hell of it a bit after I got married. My ramrod hasn't poked around in anyone but my wife in over 5 years, so if I do have a kid i don't know about, their prolly 5 or 6 years old now.


crazy to think about lol


my 2cents

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